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Flip Flappers 03

Dragonball parody episode… god this show is so great.
Also new video source this week. Looks a lot better than CR.

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26 comments to Flip Flappers 03

  • Bunny

    Whee~ :D Thanks a bunch for AOTS guys! \o/

    Also yay @better video! This show was beautiful enough before, can’t wait.

  • costmuffled

    What’s the new source? It does look really good.

  • moozooh

    “Your hole looked like it was pretty high up.” Quote of the year.

    Can anyone tell me what’s going on in this show? As visually impressive as it is, it looks like there are just things happening; nothing is adequately explained, consistency is yet to be seen, and stakes aren’t defined whatsoever. What are characters’ motivation for doing what they’re doing? What’s going to happen if they stop or fail? Who or what are the antagonists? Why is every little girl’s outfit so weirdly sexualized? What is the continuity between episodes? Why is Papika so weird? I don’t remember the last time I was so confused, wow. I was rewatching SE Lain recently, and even that seemed more straightforward. :D

    • DmonHiro

      This is episode THREE. We’re only 25% into the series.

      • DMON
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        release smth

      • moozooh

        Indeed, this is episode three, and I still haven’t been given a reason to care about any of the characters or their antics. Some things happen, then location changes, we get some cultural references, and some other things happen just because. The event at the very end of episode 1 was just glossed over as if it never happened. If all of this is an example of good storytelling and I’m just not getting it, please indulge me with a couple more examples where a TV series was this deliberately obtuse 25% into its total runtime and still ended up great. I’d like to see what I’m missing with this show, but I’m not sure if I want to spend three more hours figuring out.

        • Anonymous

          It seems pretty clear that the story is going to start to be revealed more based on the end of this episode.

          The series has been pretty dreamlike so far. Wild stuff happens and the characters aren’t fazed by it much, similar to how you react to wild stuff in a dream.

          >a couple more examples where a TV series was this deliberately obtuse 25% into its total runtime and still ended up great
          Twin Peaks was deliberately obtuse 100% through it’s total runtime.

          • moozooh

            > Twin Peaks was deliberately obtuse 100% through it’s total runtime.

            That’s just not true. The premise was crystal clear from the first 15 minutes: Laura Palmer has been killed, Dale Cooper is there to investigate; the killer is on the loose, some characters are likely culprits or otherwise have dark secrets; mysterious shit happen and everyone appears confused or afraid. We generally know at least as much as Dale Cooper does. We also know that death or mental breakdown are very possible consequences of a failure. That’s all you need to know about a criminal/supernatural mystery series to get the suspense going. The fact that the writers have taken some extreme liberties with twists and unresolved mysteries doesn’t discredit the fact that the basic info, principal characters’ motivation, and the laws of the world were mostly established early on—in the pilot episode, in fact. Stakes are raised and the game is on.

            Compare with Flip Flappers:
            — we don’t understand anything about Papika other than her being weird and possibly having a mental condition;
            — we don’t understand anything about her and her group’s motivation;
            — we don’t understand anything about the laws of Pure Illusion and the stakes involved in traversing it (can anyone die or get sick there?);
            — we don’t understand anything about the laws of the normal world, either (why is Papika able to fly on her surfboard?);
            — we don’t understand anything about the fragments they’re gathering and what they can be used for;
            — we don’t understand how much Cocona knows about any of this (when did she learn a transform sequence, for instance?);
            — we don’t understand who the antagonists are or what their motivations are (and this isn’t even a mystery series…);
            — we don’t understand why there are gaps in continuity that seemingly have no lasting consequences even though they were clearly presented otherwise (see the end of the first episode).

            In fact we don’t understand *anything at all*, and hence aren’t given any reasons to care about what’s going on. It’s just a bunch of pretty girls doing weird things against trippy backdrops. Tbh I’m gonna put this show on hold until it ends and then see if it’s worth picking back up again, cause so far I’m not convinced.

            • Anonymous

              I meant 100% into it as in at the end it was “obtuse,” not as in the whole series was completely obtuse.

              Like I said it seems lots of those things are about to be explained. The end of the first episode hasn’t been explained presumably because Cocona doesn’t remember it, she was knocked out after all.

              Also stop bullying Papika.

              • moozooh

                Well, hopefully you understood my point. I wasn’t too happy with how Twin Peaks had panned out (though I really liked it nevertheless), but at the very least it did everything to hook you in, and did so remarkably well. For all of its weirdness and obtuseness, it provided the necessary exposition quickly and naturally—something that Flip Flappers should have done as well.

                Btw, one reason I’m somewhat delighted about you mentioning TP is that it might just be the most anime-like live-action TV show I’ve ever seen. If you consider its genre, style, sensibilities, and even some production details, the similarities are nothing short of staggering. A mix of a batshit insane supernatural mystery and slice-of-life? Check. Pretty-boy overachieving MC with high moral standards? Check. Unrealistically drop-dead-gorgeous female cast? Check. Random humor and weird characters (including, of all things, a cross-dresser)? Check. Having to employ filler subplots to buy some time? Check. “We’ve ran out of budget, so have this totally contorted and unsatisfying ending”? Check. A follow-up movie that only serves to disappoint the fanbase? Check. Twin Peaks is, undoubtedly, an anime. Kunihiko Ikuhara should follow through with his ideas and make something together with Lynch because they’re, like, a heavenly match—Mawaru Penguindrum was the most Lynchian thing I’d ever seen that wasn’t directed by Lynch himself.

            • Jay F

              A lot of these things are explained. You aren’t paying attention or you have difficulty picking up on details being shown, not told. Except, even then, they quite literally said flat out what the motivation of Flip Flap was. I’m convinced you’re a little stupid at this point and are just asking questions for the sake of it – regardless of what those questions are.

              • I have to agree that by this episode, the viewer should be able to start forming answers to a lot of the questions he posed. Potentially incorrect ones, but definitely the ones that the studio wants you to latch on to.

                I wouldn’t go so far as to call him “stupid,” though. It is purposefully vague at this stage in the show. If they start clarifying things more, that will be what makes it a good story. Right now it’s still building up to that.

              • moozooh

                > A lot of these things are explained.

                Okay, I see you’re the smart one. Please indulge me. Seriously, do.

                > Except, even then, they quite literally said flat out what the motivation of Flip Flap was.

                Are you talking about these lines from episode 2?

                > Retrieving the fragments scattered there is your job for the foreseeable future.
                > Why are you collecting them?
                > To liberate Pure Illusion.

                I must be really dense to reject that as an explanation for anything. It’s the kind of answer that only makes things more confusing, prompting more questions than it answered. Mainly because, while it does suggest that the actual reasons are benevolent, they mean very little because we’re neither given the context of what Pure Illusion is, nor how it’s constrained/enslaved/whatever, nor how the fragments play into all this.

            • monstervong

              Dude, we’re only 3 episodes in and as you can see we’re seeing more which will be explained soon. It doesn’t take much to understand Flip Flappers story so far. Papika needs Cocona’s help to find fragments and there are others who are also after them. That’s all you need to know right now unless you want someone to spoil the entire plot…

              Honestly, there are plenty of shows that don’t give you the whole plot at first so why make such a big deal out of it? If you don’t like it then just drop it.

              Begna’s example of Punchline was perfect. I had almost no idea on wtf was going on other than time travel and deaths until the last few eps.

              • Jay F

                I’d hate to see how he handled Madoka given it doesn’t “make sense” until the second to last episode.

                • moozooh

                  I like Madoka, and of course it makes sense, lol. I think I now understand the core of our misunderstanding. You’re confusing plot twists with fundamental exposition. I’m not at all against twists, but I am very much against the lack of fundamentals. For instance, Shinsekai Yori went full M. Night Shyamalan by the end in terms of twists, but we’d learned all the necessary basics of backstory, rules, and characters by something like episode 5 out of 25? (And even then I considered it too dragged-out for its own good.)

                  That said, the third Madoka movie was considerably worse than the series, for much of the same reasons that apply to Flip Flappers: its premise was pure fan service, and for about half of its runtime it indulged in inconsequential, poorly explained fanbase-pandering scenes that mainly served to look good but did little for the story. I had mixed feelings about the ending, but either way it felt kind of refreshing despite all the contrivances and logic hoops it required to jump through. In my opinion, being gorgeous and having a non-generic ending were the only two things that saved this movie from being a disaster.

                  • Jay F

                    >my misunderstanding
                    whatever helps you sleep at night

        • Well, there’s the Monogatari series. Completely obtuse in my opinion. Another show that took until the end to answer all the questions was Punchline. Everyone who watched that liked to speculate on where the story was going.

          I think this is similar, where hints are given here and there and eventually everything will be revealed. A top-heavy show if you will.

          • moozooh

            I haven’t watched Punch Line. But I have heard mixed opinions about it, so I guess it didn’t answer all the questions (satisfactorily) by the end, lol.

            Monogatari, while indulging in nonlinear storytelling, provides overall context regularly and outright *heaps* exposition for the storyline it currently shows. Like in e.g. Hitagi Crab arc we learn pretty much all about her backstory, the existence of supernatural things, and the overall roles of Koyomi, Meme, and Tsubasa in the series. We’re given a glimpse of Koyomi’s backstory that illustrates the events leading up to him becoming a half-vampire and his acquaintance with Meme. It’s somewhat of a connect-the-dots approach, but the dots *are there* to connect, they stay consistent, and are even spelled out in words. It also gives us, in the span of just two episodes, the basic template for the show’s plot and narrative structure that most of the arcs adhere to: one of the characters is in trouble because of some supernatural thing, MC gets involved, talks things out with some other character(s) and finds a way to help, then does it. Particular details are often withheld until later, yes, but the fundamentals are exposed almost immediately, so by around the end of the second episode of a given arc you can make sense of what’s going on and who is (or could be) involved.

            Monogatari is also a rare show that doesn’t have any standing antagonists. Instead, some characters often take that role on temporarily, either discarding it later or ending up dead—but not by MC’s violent killing intent. Interesting to see how despite straddling the moral line constantly, the series and its characters stay fully consistent in that respect. It also doesn’t have an overall conclusive goal to the series, instead treating us to intermittent, loosely-connected arcs that dramatize what is essentially a slice-of-life story and each have its own little climax, not unlike Haruhi and some other adaptations. It takes a competent director to make that approach work without it degrading into a generic -of-the-week trope.

            Another thing Monogatari has that the vast majority of anime lacks *completely* is character charisma. It makes you feel genuinely interested in its characters, in part because they have a lot of humanity to them that goes way beyond the usual anime stereotypes. When we learn that e.g. Hitagi became tsundere not because the screenwriter had decided so but because of her traumatic past that made it perfectly logical for her to end up that way, and she was suffering because of it and ultimately take action to change, we can relate to her and feel emotionally engaged in her story. Her lines of dialogue makes her instantly recognizable and are an absolute delight to hear and read. Thus, even if we don’t *like* a given character, we’re still given an opportunity to understand them and appreciate them as a believable human being despite the unbelievable supernatural context surrounding them.

            This brings us back to Flip Flappers where after a full hour of trippy visuals we end up with a total of two protagonists. One of them is made of cardboard, does little to transcend it, and has all the charisma of a wet doorknob. Cocona is just a non-character; she is as generic as they come. Papika, as if to overcompensate for her partner’s dullness, has the emotional and cognitive abilities of a kindergartener while dressing like a flamboyant adult magazine model, and otherwise doesn’t make any sense; some people like that, but I find such character design neither fun nor clever. I mean I’ve seen and talked to mentally retarded and heavily autistic children/teenagers in person; they aren’t all that cute or relatable, really. I’m far from being a prude, but sexualizing outright immature characters like this show often tries to feels kinda repulsive, if only because their sexuality doesn’t come naturally from their character, but is tacked on for no solid reason whatsoever.

            I also realize Flip Flappers aims to be a top-heavy show. But I have reasons to believe it to be a huge mistake to indulge in a multitude of silly pop culture references before establishing emotional and intellectual connection with the audience. If you look at the other successful top-heavy shows you’ll see them still trying to establish the fundamentals pretty early on. Those who fail to do so end up a disappointment more often than not.

            • Anonymous

              I told you to stop bullying Papika.

              • moozooh

                I’m not bullying her, I’m pitying her. Give the girl some decent clothes, damn it. :v

  • PaleBlue

    Dragon Ball, and Sailor Moon, and Mad Max: Fury Road, and so many others…

  • costmuffled

    Steins;Gate is another example of an anime that kept me guessing for episodes. Flip Flappers might not be at the same level as S;G, but it is very enjoyable in its own right.

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